Getting Sick Of Clinton

I've been sitting on the fence in the Democratic Primaries, for a time I really felt conflicted between Obama and Clinton. Over the past few months I've almost become certain that another Clinton presidency would be disastrously for the country and the democratic party. As this primary has dragged on I've come to not believe in anything Clinton has to say, rather I've come to realize that everything she has to say is cold and calculated. I've also realized that she'll change her position on just about anything as long as it suits her personally. I'll try to explain below.

- Seating Michigan and Florida

I first started to get worried when I started to hear all the talk about seating the delegates from Michigan and Florida. I feel this speaks to her truthfulness and gives us incite into seeing whether she will keep her promises if she were to win the general. Sadly I have to say this incident shows that all her principals need to be called into question. If there was an agreement why not honor it? Why change the rules after the elections were held? What other promises is she making that she'll go back on.

- Lack of 50 state strategy

Once again were seeing a old Clinton model of not competing everywhere. Were Obama is trying to put every state in play and making inroads into republicans strongholds. I think its really important for us to bring republicans into the fold and thats what Obama is doing. If were really going to change the country we need to bring the republicans on board. If Clinton wins I feel this just wont happen, they'll write off the red states just as they did before and as there doing now in the primaries. So far Obama has won 22 states to Clinton's 10, in response the Clinton team has said that other then Illinois Obama has won in states that "don't matter" How can we get real change and move forward as a country if almost half the country doesn't matter? This reminds me all of Bush's writing off the the black vote and allot of the northeast cause they didn't agree with him, do we really want a democrat that will and is doing the same?

- The War

I'll try to keep this one short but Hillary continues to speak about her 35 years of experience. The Iraq war vote was around 6 years ago so she had 29 years of experience then. So with 29 years of experience she voted for the war, what makes you think she would behave the same manner if a similar situation arose again? Shes either lying to or is incompetent when she says that she didn't know what she was voting for. I find it hard that someone with 29 years of experience can get fooled into voting for a war and if she did that speaks to sheer incompetence.

Anyways those are my thought, if you disagree let me know why im wrong i'd love to hear from you all.



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Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

Good points. That 29 years of experience is a good line. I'd like to see Obama use that.


by animated on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:12:59 PM EST

My prediction (none / 0)

If Hillary has less pledged delegates but ends up winning this election because of superdelegates, I predict that the Dem party will split apart in the convention resulting a loss in the general election.

I have a feeling that this is going to end UGLY.


by puma on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:18:03 PM EST

Re: My prediction (none / 0)

why would they do that, don't you know that pledged delegates are actually less legitimate than superdelegates?  I know this from today's recommended diaries list.  It's patently obvious.


by the mollusk on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:30:16 PM EST
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HRC for SCOTUS, (none / 0)

provided that the Clintons don't run a dirty campaign going forward, could be a decent peace offering if Obama wins.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:50:51 PM EST
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first SC justice to flunk the bar? (none / 0)

Sorry, I couldn't help it :)

If Hillary isn't the nominee she should be Majority Leader.

 


by highgrade on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 03:06:32 PM EST
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Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

ooh, you are gonna get it.


by the mollusk on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:29:11 PM EST

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My prediction:  One way or the other, Obama loses.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:29:15 PM EST

Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

Good posting.

I'll also just add that, though America seems to like dynasties, I don't think they're good for a democracy. Now, it's not Hillary's fault that her husband was president, but one President Clinton in a generation is enough. She's a good enough Senator (with a couple notable exceptions) and I'm happy to leave her there.

I'll vote for her come November should she somehow pull this out of the fire, but I don't think she'll be particularly good for the country.


by PhilFR on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:31:58 PM EST

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Are you even serious???

Mad at her for wanting to count Florida

And bash her for lack of a 50 states strategy????

FLORIDA IS ONE OF THE 50 STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Put down the OBAMA CRACK and THINK...


I believe in Hillary
by sonofdonkeykong on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:32:43 PM EST

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Yes I'm serious, how the hell are you gonna count delegates in a election that wasn't spouse to count?
Although I dont agree with the way the DNC handled the situation I dont think you should be changing the rules during halftime to help your team.
by anujtron on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:35:34 PM EST
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Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

that's it mister, your "1" key is being temporarily disabled.


by the mollusk on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:36:24 PM EST
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Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

Maybe a little more breathless outrage, and you'll get your point across.


by Cycloptichorn on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:39:24 PM EST
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This is going to end ugly; I'm not sure how it really started, but somewhere along this campaign trail, the camps solidified and the Cults of Personality took over.

I've repeatedly said that if the Party splits, perhaps it is for the better.  I don't want that to happen, but no one is immune from being called out and drug through the mud for their beliefs at this point.  I saw Ed Rendell, who I repeatedly wished had run for President, drug through the mud today for supposedly race baiting.  I like Claire McCaskill, and I've seen her drug through the mud as well.  I can't mention how many Congressman have been attacked as well - Waters, Huerta, Boswell, etc.

Division seems like a more and more likely outcome everyday...I hope that we can heal, but the more this race continues and the uglier it gets, the worse off we are.


by ejintx on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:39:15 PM EST

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I'm not that pessimistic.  I think the superdelegates will back whoever wins the delegate count thereby heading off a brokered convention.  I think you're seeing the worst of the division on websites like this.  In fact, if you look closely, there are really only about a dozen or so hard-cores that get everyone whipped up.  I would guess the the majority of people even on this site are pretty open minded.


by the mollusk on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:51:45 PM EST
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I would agree with that. Personally, I have grave concerns about Hillary's character and judgment, but will vote for her come November should she manage to pull this out of the fire.


by PhilFR on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 01:58:32 PM EST
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Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

I hope you're right.


by ejintx on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 02:06:28 PM EST
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Re: Getting Sick Of Clinton (none / 0)

me too.


by the mollusk on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 02:20:54 PM EST
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Saw This on Ezra (none / 0)

To make one more point on the Clinton campaign's promise to try and re-seat the Michigan and Florida delegations, its getting a bit annoying to watch them discover brand new principles as soon as they become politically useful. I never, not once, heard anyone in the Clinton campaign denigrate the representative nature of caucuses when it look like they might win Iowa. Never, not once, did they respond to a poll showing Hillary in the lead by saying, "hey, it's just a caucus, and basically undemocratic." Now, of course, they want caucuses not to count. Fine, that's politics. Similarly, when the DNC decided to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegations, the Clinton campaign could have stood up and stopped the whole thing from happening. But they stayed silent, and even assented to the DNC's decision. Clinton's campaign manager released a statement saying, "We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process, and we believe the DNC's rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role."


by anujtron on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 02:04:36 PM EST

Should every Democrat who voted for the war ... (none / 0)

... in the House and the Senate recieve the same scorn as Clinton?  Should more of them be primaried?  All of them?  If this wasn't just some talking point .... blah blah blah ... Clinton vote for the war, I think we 'd see more Democrats having hate thrown at them.

But I don't see it.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 03:15:46 PM EST

Clinton can't seat the delegates, (none / 0)

She has no say.  She can't change the rules.   The DNC, though various committees can, but she can't.  I don't think Dean is a big fan of the Clintons.

As for Obama's 50 states strategy, it doesn't exist.  He is the weakest candidate we have if you will open your eyes.

He has only won states with large A.A. populations or small states where working class voters are largely republican, and the liberal elites control the  state party.  Many of these states are caucus states.

He hasn't won in big states with a diverse cross section of voters.


by dpANDREWS on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 03:19:36 PM EST

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This is blatant misogyny from another obamabot. hy are you so afraid of Hillary?


by beanbagz on Thu Feb 14, 2008 at 05:03:53 PM EST


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