MyDD :: Delegate Counts

So essentially, if the delegate count roughly corresponds to the winning percentage, and she sweeps the remaining contests, the best she does is tie him (she'd be +50 in supers and -50 in pledged). Then it goes to the convention, superdelegates essentially pick the winner, and half the party is furious.

But, as you said, there's no way she wins all those (barring a MAJOR problem for Obama).

by freedom78 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:37:52 PM EST

by anujtron on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:40:37 PM EST
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Exactly, thats why I could never vote for her, shes willing to rip the party to shreds to win this...

I'm not prepared to say that, yet. If she has a net delegate loss on Tuesday, and still insists on battling on, then I think that point becomes much more valid (and I think she starts to hear it from some of her supporters who'd put the party above the candidate).

by freedom78 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:46:28 PM EST
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by anujtron on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:47:03 PM EST

MI and FL should be redone, How the hell are you gonna count delegates in favor of Hillary when Obama wasn't even running in MI. Hell with the rules your just like the Clinton's do anything say anything to get your horse elected. And as far as the will of the voters goes Obama has over 1 million more votes then Clinton...

You can't assume that those contests reflect what would have been the will of the voters had all candidates had an opportunity to fully campaign in those states and had all candidates been on the ballot.

by freedom78 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:51:23 PM EST

by anujtron on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:57:18 PM EST
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They'll assume whatever helps there candidate, If Obama had one these 2 states they would be on the other side of the fence, and you can bet the Obama team wouldn't be trying to pull this shit...

I am proudly for my candidate, but not so much that I have lost all sense of fair play. Let's face it...when the Clinton camp was in favor of these rules, it was when she was expected to steamroll the competition on her way to the coro...WHOOPS!...I mean NOMInation.

by freedom78 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:02:30 PM EST
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Revoting is problematic, because it ALSO (just like seating the delegations, as is) doesn't represent what voters WOULD have done on the initial election day.

It's all troublesome, really. I think the GOP was smart enough to know that Democratic party rules are stricter than theirs, and so moved up the race hoping to help themselves in the general by making their citizens pissed at the Dems due to the primary. Considering that the GOP controls three of the four relevant legislative bodies, it seems plausible. More so in Florida, where they control both houses and the governorship. I think Michigan may have genuinely been desperate to have some input in the process, on both sides of the aisle.

by freedom78 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:19:35 PM EST
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Re: Delegate Counts (2.00 / 1)

Ummmmm .... I was told there would be no math questions.

"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton

by fugazi on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 01:57:29 PM EST

by the mollusk on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:16:06 PM EST

I understand her logic for staying in and I don't begrudge her for it in the least. Obama could have a nuclear-winter-sized meltdown. One of these silly whisper campaigns could grow some major-league legs. The Rezko thing could blow up. Who knows? I'm doubtful any of these scenarios will play out. But continuing the primary at this point is great exposure for both of the Dems, it helps them build their ground game, and it makes the Democratic discussions more prominent in the blue-chip media. These are all good things I think. Besides if Obama really does self-destruct, Hillary needs to be there to carry the torch.

If this gets really ugly and really nasty and cleaves the Democratic Party, that would be a different story. So far, I'm convinced that hasn't happened and probably won't.

Two riders were approaching...... and the wind began to howl!

ROTLMFAO!

Why are you so obsessed with changing the rules that Hillary, Barack and everyone else agreed to? If the DNC seats the delegates according to the "beuty contest" results in FL and the "Hillary vs. Uncommitted" results in MI, that will send a clear signal that every state party is from now on free to defy the DNC and they can hold their Primary in November of the year before the General Election if they damn well want to.

Get a grip!

by John in Chicago on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 05:05:39 PM EST