MyDD :: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landslide

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:11 PM EST
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Show me (2.00 / 2)

Prove it.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:22:01 PM EST
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Re: Show me (none / 0)

Try CNN.com

by giusd on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:53:56 PM EST
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Re: Good for her (2.00 / 2)

That's a great, uh... great fact-filled response right there. A savagely pithy riposte.

Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics

by BishopRook on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:39:13 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

No democrat is going to win Kentucky.

by ProfessorReo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:15:39 PM EST

Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

It's a purple state. Terry McAuliffe just told me so.

by niksder on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:16:23 PM EST
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I love Terry (2.00 / 1)

We won it (by a plurality) in 1992 and 1996 and lost it in 2000 and 2004, he says.

WHILE YOU WERE RUNNING THE PARTY!

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:18:02 PM EST
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Re: I love Terry (none / 0)

Do you see a republican capable of pulling 18% (1992) and 12% (1996) of the vote as an independent as Ross Perot did?

I certainly don't. :)

by Yalin on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:31:37 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 9)

No democrat is going to win North Dakota, Montana, Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, or North Carolina either. And those were states that Obama won, correct!

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:18:28 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

Don't get down on yourself. NC and SC are in reach, and maybe Montana and ND. I suppose we'll find out in the Fall! Go team DEM!

by NewOaklandDem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:20:55 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 3)

Fact:
NC hasn't gone blue since '76 and Virginia hasn't gone blue since '64.

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:27:08 PM EST
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So? (2.00 / 1)

We should NEVER fight for those states again?

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:28:57 PM EST
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Re: So? (2.00 / 4)

Absolutly we should...but don't count on winning a state that hasn't gone blue in 44 years!

by LDFan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM EST
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Of course Democrats should try to build everywhere (none / 0)

But, look at it this way. Would it make more sense to position yourself for a state that has gone Democratic in the recent past and still has some residual Democratic sympathies or to bank on a state that has not gone Democratic in recent memory and is ancestrally Republican. A number of states that favor Clinton (WV, KY, and MO) are examples of the former. A number of states that favor Obama (KS, ND, and NE) are examples of the latter. Kansas hasn't elected a Democratic senator since 1936.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:28:00 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 0)

Even Jimmy Carter couldn't win Virginia.

by handsomegent on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:31:37 PM EST
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Even Jimmy Carter couldn't win Virginia.

Virginia isn't part of the Old South anymore. It's a very wealthy state with a ton of college graduates. Expect it to begin trending Democratic along with Colorado.

by RP McMurphy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:34:55 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Maybe Colorado, I doubt Virginia. Allen was such a doofus, and he almost won don't forget.

by handsomegent on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:36:18 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Maybe Colorado, I doubt Virginia. Allen was such a doofus, and he almost won don't forget.

Don't doubt it. The fastest growing part of Virginia is northern Virginia and it's trending heavily Democratic.

by RP McMurphy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:53:38 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

That was 28 years ago

McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.

by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:17:34 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

All the more reason to be excited about the fact that Obama puts them in play.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:32:51 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

Fact: Between 1952 and 1988, California voted Democratic once. Lesson: The map changes.

by RP McMurphy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:33:22 PM EST
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Yes, and who was it that brought it to the Dems? (2.00 / 2)

Oh, of course, William Jefferson Clinton, the only Democrat since FDR to be reelected. He showed us how to win, but, of course, that's all tired old politics of the past.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:44:45 PM EST
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Re: Yes, and who was it that brought it to the Dem (none / 0)

Yes, and who was it that brought it to the Dems? Oh, of course, William Jefferson Clinton, the only Democrat since FDR to be reelected.

Demographic change brought California to the Dems, my dear friend.

He showed us how to win, but, of course, that's all tired old politics of the past.

Well, it certainly is the politics of the past. Clinton and his "Third Way" was a response to Reagan's success. We're in a different era now and we don't have to ape the Republicans. Obama is showing us how to win in this day and age through his effective use of internet organizing and fundraising. It's clear he's run the better campaign, so I'm not sure what the advantage of going back to the Clinton model would be.

by RP McMurphy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:52:10 PM EST
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Aping the Republicans? (none / 0)

Eisenhower Republicans maybe. But, that's not a bade thing. Balancing the budget, keeping the increase in federal expenditures small, and welfare reform. Not popular with many libs, but the American people loved it and that's why they reelected him when lesser politicians would have crumbled after 1994.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:55:29 PM EST
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Re: Aping the Republicans? (none / 0)

Eisenhower Republicans maybe.

Oooooh, no. What was the top tax rate when Eisenhower was president? 90%? Eisenhower's presidency was a continuation of the New Deal as was every Republican presidency until Ronald Reagan. Reagan abandoned Keynesian economics in favor of monetarism, deregulation, and privatization. Bill Clinton largely continued down that path.

But, that's not a bade thing. Balancing the budget, keeping the increase in federal expenditures small, and welfare reform. Not popular with many libs, but the American people loved it and that's why they reelected him when lesser politicians would have crumbled after 1994.

Listen, I like all of those things. I'm also in favor of free trade. What I don't like is the Clintons' reflexively splitting in the difference with the Republicans (the gas tax, the AUMF, etc.) Sometimes it's important to stand on principle, and that's something that it seems like the Clintons' rarely do.

by RP McMurphy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:33:46 PM EST
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Standing on principle is warranted sometimes (none / 0)

But standing on pragmatism isn't a bad governing philosophy, either.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:43:41 PM EST
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Re: Yes, and who was it that brought it to the Dem (1.00 / 2)

Wow, nobody said that.

Anyway it's now a gimme state. Has been since Dukakis.

The south is trending Democratic. The West is getting more and more heavily latino, and is trending democratic too, but more slowly. Appalachia is doing the opposite as the union jobs are leaving.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:52:47 PM EST
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I don't agree about Appalachia (none / 0)

Quite of bit of Democratic potential remains there. The Democrats just chose the wrong nominee to mine it.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:45:12 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

but California showed a clear trend closer to a Democratic candidate in 1988, when it barely went for Bush over Dukakis, by just over 3.5 percent. California also almost went for Carter in 1976, eluding him by a mere point and a half. That spelt to Clinton and his campaign that the state was actually winnable. Same for Maryland, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Illinois which all went Bush by 2 in 1988, New Mexico, and Missouri, which all went for Bush in 1988 under five, and even states like Connecticut only went for Bush by 5 in 1988. See, those are examples of states where a candidate can see winning in the next election, as Clinton took all of those states in 1992. Also, with states like Tennessee and Kentucky, the Clinton/Gore ticket had two candidates from bordering states, against a faux southerner Bush I. Thats the difference between Virginia and NC, compared to states Clinton and Gore turned blue in 1992. NC and VA have not been terribly close in recent elections. Obama isn't even thinking of picking a regional candidate from that area

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:27 PM EST
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Oh yeah (2.00 / 3)

North Carolina: McCain vs. Clinton
SurveyUSA    McCain 43, Clinton 49    Clinton +6.0
North Carolina: McCain vs. Obama
SurveyUSA    McCain 51, Obama 43    McCain +8.0

Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America

by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:22:32 PM EST
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Wow! I haven't seen that. Do you have the link? That would be really surprising, given that she was trounced so badly in the primary. When was this poll taken?

Also, great evidence that the states you win in the primary aren't reflective of the states you win in the general. That sort of logic gets thrown about quite a bit on myDD, so it's nice to see some counter evidence.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:34:36 PM EST
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The reason she was trounced in NC is obvious (none / 0)

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:45:47 PM EST
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Obama-Clinton: The New Glory of America

It's from Real Clear Politics (latest polls).

by Zeitgeist9000 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:47:46 PM EST
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Amazing. What a bizarre electoral season that sees so many republican (I'm assuming given the huuuuuge and very recent Obama primary win among dems) supporters Hillary Clinton has. Could you have ever imagined that Hillary would be a magnet for disaffected republicans? I've always been a fan, but I'm a democrat. I've always thought that Republicans hate her with a huge passion, but it could just be their talking heads mostly.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:00 PM EST
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Re: Oh yeah (2.00 / 1)

a lot of pug women like her competence, and a lot of pugs want universal health care, it's good for American business. She's seen as highly competent and capable of streamlining government agencies and getting things running well and properly. they're willing to overlook whatever they may disagree with to get universal pre-school and post high school training and college. Pug women are women and they care about the same things most of us to, schools, safety, our children's future. She'll win big across party lines. McCain likes her, she won't compromise to win support like Barack, but she'll find real common ground, as she has in her job at senator.

by anna shane on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:13:31 PM EST
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Re: Oh yeah (2.00 / 1)

You mean it's Hillary who puts NC in play. Looks like crossover support is for Hillary and no Obama.

by Sandeep on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:35:37 PM EST
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Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

Well as long as we are cherry picking polls

Susquehanna has either Clinton or Obama winning NC (5/12)

by jsfox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:48:55 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 2)

You forgot to add another state Obama thinks he can win Alaska.

by handsomegent on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:27:10 PM EST
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Hold on, handsome one, Obama can win Alaska this year!
And we're going to send Ted Stevens and Don Young to the bone yard too!

Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie

by toyomama on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:52:58 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

I only mentioned Kentucky won't go blue to point out that the presidential race won't affected by the 50% of Kentucky democrats saying they won't vote for Obama.

But, as for those states you mention, North Carolina is definitely a swing-state now, and some of those other states could be in play.

They are saying that Georgia could be in play because of the large AA population and because of Bob Barr's possible third party candidacy.

And there's seems to be a democratic revolution going on in Mississippi, another state with a large AA population - 37%, I believe. So, who knows, Mississippi may come in to play, at the very least forcing McCain to defend a state that should have been in the Republican's bag.

by ProfessorReo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:32:03 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Yes, I heard about an absurdly large AA population in Georgia, South Carolina, and Mississippi maybe that was not registered. Those populations could actually put those states in play. Do you have a link to an article that discusses this? I can try to find mine...

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:36:35 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

It was an article over at DKos. I'll get the link.

by ProfessorReo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:47:10 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

The diary discusses an Insider Advantage polling done in Georgia with Bob Barr as a third party candidate. Barr gets 8% of the vote and McCain's lead over Obama is only 10 points.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5 /20/16318/3574

by ProfessorReo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:52:03 PM EST
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The large AA population has been there a long time (none / 0)

And Democrats, except for Clinton and Carter, have still been trounced there. Kerry was buried. I know some Obama supporters think a larger AA turnout will make a big difference but I think it would take an impossible increase to erase deficits like the ones the party has seen in places like Georgia.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:48:47 PM EST
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Re: The large AA population has been there a long (none / 0)

It's a large AA turn-out plus 92% percent or more of that vote. In 2004, Kerry got 88% of the AA vote. Obama is going to get more than that. He should at the very least get 90%, and he may get closer to 95%, especially in southern states.

If those two things occur - large AA turnout who virtually all vote for Obama, then states with at least 30% AA population suddenly come into play - states like Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

I'm not saying he's likely to win those states, but, they may be viable enough that McCain will be forced to campaign there, weakening McCain in other swing-states.

by ProfessorReo on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:56:25 PM EST
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And you forgot Wyoming and Alaska! (2.00 / 1)

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:41:27 PM EST
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Re: And you forgot Wyoming and Alaska! (none / 0)

That's right, Lombard.
Alaska has a very good chance of going for Obama.
With Stevens and Young up to their eyeballs in scandals, McCain has no secure coattails to grab onto.
One short visit to Alaska by Obama will gain him a win here!

Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie

by toyomama on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:57:34 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 2)

Didn't Bill Clinton win it twice? Kentucky seems to love the Clintons. Too bad the media and the Democratic party apparatchiks don't.

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:31:44 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

He won WV twice, not sure about Kentucky, but your correct the people of those 2 states love the Clintons.

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:34:08 PM EST
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He won KY twice but 96 was very close (none / 0)

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:42:04 PM EST
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Re: He won KY twice but 96 was very close (none / 0)

...and as some of our more "memoryfull" commenters have reminded us of a certain conservative third party candidate who was leeching votes from the republicans in these states.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:45:47 PM EST
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Yes, but Perot tended not to do well in the South (none / 0)

That was by far his worst region.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:02:17 PM EST
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Re: He won KY twice but 96 was very close (none / 0)

Perot leached equally from Democrats and Republicans. I'm pretty sure that exit polls showed that Clinton would have won the GE in 1992 with or without Perot in the mix (although I'm not sure about Kentucky).

Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings

by Inky on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:36:58 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 3)

Don't forget the "O" folks who have called them ignorant, white trash, stupid, and low life's after Hillary's big win last week in WV. Shameful remarks by those who call themselves Democrats, or should we say the New Democrats.

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:39:43 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

http://skywatch-media.com/
Is this your business? Looks like an interesting enterprise, Steve.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:45:51 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Interesting interprise?

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:50:16 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Quotations? Links? Any evidence? I know it's probably too much to ask, but don't insult the intelligence of everyone on this site being so obtuse.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:48:54 PM EST
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Yes, but 96 was very close (none / 0)

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:49:17 PM EST
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And Obama will win massive... (none / 0)

in Oregon. In fact, he will get MORE of the popular vote, since there are over 1M people voting in Oregon.

by tracey webb on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:18:27 PM EST

It has already been reported that Clinton will win more popular votes after tonights contests. She is going to amass many votes in Kentucky tonight.

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:29 PM EST
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Re: And Obama will win massive... (2.00 / 3)

Reported by whom? Oh wait, was it Skywatch-Media News?

Nevermind.

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:23:50 PM EST
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by Lawyerish on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:27:09 PM EST
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haha, +5 for you!

Re: And Obama will win massive... (1.66 / 3)

Have you seen it? http://skywatch-media.com/

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:30:20 PM EST
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Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

I have looked on a few occasions, yes.

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:34:27 PM EST
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I just almost peed myself. Look who troll rated you for rec'ing his site. Hiiiiiilarious.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:37:50 PM EST
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Re: And Obama will win massive... (2.00 / 0)

Hey Steve! That's some pretty nasty TR abuse. You can't TR PoliticsMatters for posting a link to your site while you simultaneously flaunt it in your sig line.

Don't be a dick.

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:44:49 PM EST
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We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

Wouldn't you want to drive traffic there, Steve?

by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:46:39 PM EST
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No, please guys. Don't give him advice! It will ruin the hilarity that is my myDD experience.

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:51:14 PM EST
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"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

Don't make fun of him. You just don't understand because you haven't got your tin foil hat on. Reception and clarity comes to all who wear the hat.

by venician on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:15:44 PM EST
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Dont' assume you have the right to tell me what to do on my own diary. If your attacking me, you had better use something better than my award winning web site. I believe MyDD has already warned folks like yourself, about inflammatory comments, like the one you just made. OK!

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:57:07 PM EST
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Re: And Obama will win massive... (1.00 / 1)

Report me Steve. Please. Direct the Admins (one and all) to the scene of your blatant abuse of the rating system.

Attack you with your "award winning website"? What the hell are you talking about?

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:04:06 PM EST
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Reported by Wolfson and McCauliff. I believe they know more than you, or are you an expert on numbers

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:36:47 PM EST
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Yep, he's an expert in numbers. Of course, I'm not sure if he's as incorruptable as your non-biased sources of Howard Wolfson and Terry McCauliff. Those guys couldn't be using fuzzy math, could they?

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:39:03 PM EST
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Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

heh. Thanks.

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:45:17 PM EST
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Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

Last I checked, they work for HRC, and use Clinton Math (patent pending). You know, 0 votes for BO in MI, discounting caucuses, counting FL, that whole chestnut.

Oh, based on they way her campaign has been run, I'd say I AM better with numbers. To wit, I've got more money in my couch cushions than Hillary has in her campaign coffers.

by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:41:08 PM EST
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by thezzyzx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:24:33 PM EST
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Wow, they know that before polls have even closed in Oregon? That's impressive.

Beat McCain!

I'm not sure you were serious or snarking but (none / 0)

If you are serious, Oregon is a mail-in state for this primary - no standing in line at the polls. The ballots had to be in today. I don't know but they could have been counting them already.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:09:03 PM EST
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She should win KY with over a 100 K margin (none / 0)

if these voter patterns continue. Jefferson county is almost all in and his margin was surprisingly small there. Lexington area is also mostly in and his margin isn't so big there, either. She is winning everywhere else in the state and there a lots more votes left from those counties.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:52:06 PM EST
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McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.

Lies!

by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:18:55 PM EST
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KY is larger than OR - by about 500 K (none / 0)

And her margins are predicted to be much larger in KY than his in OR. I'd be surprised if that many people voted in OR because I think the state has less than 4 million people but I guess it is possible.

by lombard on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:12:56 PM EST
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LOL! (none / 0)

There aren't even 1,000,000 million registered Democrats in Oregon and it's a closed primary!

Seriously, lame.

FAIL.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:27 PM EST
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did you not notice the thread on the front page? (none / 0)

Posting a diary redundant with the front page is ignorant or rude.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.

by Carl Nyberg on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:19:42 PM EST

Re: did you not notice the thread on the front pag (2.00 / 1)

Whaddya mean, "or"?

by Ray Radlein on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:43:02 PM EST
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Massive Landslide ? (2.00 / 1)

we better call FEMA!

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:26:36 PM EST

Re: Massive Landslide ? (2.00 / 1)

Go Hill, but that is funny.

by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:49:05 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 3)

Congratulations, Clinton supporters.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:29:10 PM EST

Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

In other news: the sky is blue and the sun will rise over the moon in a landslide victory tomorrow morning around 6 AM. Awesome.

by brathor on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:42:42 PM EST

Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

giggle.

thanks.

by j cantarella on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:45:31 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

You'd better provide some links providing me evidence of this landslide or else I might not believe you. The internets are god

by minnesotaryan on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:50:09 PM EST
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Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landslide (none / 0)

Clinton is still in to Win!

by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:48:08 PM EST

Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

It's actually 76% of white registered Democrats, not white voters.

Congratulations to Senator Clinton on a fine campaign in Kentucky. I've been much happier with the tone of the race lately.

by mattw on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:54:08 PM EST

Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (2.00 / 1)

Since Wisconsin Hillary has received 300,000 more votes than Obama! She has the big mo going to Denver!

by mcctx on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:54:25 PM EST

Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (none / 0)

How many votes does momentum get at the convention? If it helps with supers, why is Obama like +75 since Wisconsin?

by mattw on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:58:49 PM EST
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Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (2.00 / 1)

It doesn't matter too much at this point.

I think most of us are resigned to the "Party will coronate Obama to appease his base" reality. The facts that he can't carry the popular vote and is unelectable in the fall vindicate the prudence and foresight of Hillary's base.

Ultimately, after November, this will restore sanity to the party and benefit Democrats in the long term. I don't hope Obama loses, but I think it's inevitable, given the electoral map.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:31:33 PM EST
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Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (none / 0)

I'm not, I'm a long time dem and I expect them to get it right this time, the entire point of super's is to override pledged delegates when that candidate is looking weaker while another is gaining in strength. I expect them to defer to Denver, and see how they fare over the long summer months. Let Barack see himself as the winner, as long as it isn't in cement I expect that in Denver the most electable one will get it. He can use the summer to make an appeal to blue collar working stiffs, let him try and if he can, he'll then prove himself to be worthy of this great trust we put into our eventual nominee. And if he doesn't, which I think he won't, then we have the possibility of the best candidate, in my lifetime, to agree to run for president of the united states.

by anna shane on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:05:44 PM EST
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Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (2.00 / 1)

I salute your fortitude and hope you are right.

:-)

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:05:44 AM EST
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Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (none / 0)

You didn't have to wait long. He's winning those stiffs in Oregon right now.

by mattw on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:34:25 AM EST
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Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (none / 0)

Those are not facts. Obama can and will win.

by mattw on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:20 PM EST
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Re: Hillary has the big mo going to Denver! (none / 0)

Since SOME want links, let's see you link on that vote total since Wisconsin. Listen to CNN, that is your link about Kentucky.

by steve468 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:01:27 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Was Race of Candidate Important to You?

White Yes: 19%
White No: 66%
Black Yes: 2%
Black No: 7%

(Note those are percentages of voters at the polls; 9% of those polled at exit were black total).

Of Whites who say yes, they voted 86%-9% for Clinton (and 4% uncommitted).

by mattw on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:57:51 PM EST

Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

So proportionately, about the same number of blacks as whites said that race mattered in their voting?

by Montague on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:57:32 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

Looks like it. Do you think that's the same thing?

by mattw on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:34 PM EST
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Prediction:
Tomorrow morning, after tonight's delegates are tallied, we will reprise the WV/IN post-game. Hillary's supporters will amp up the anger over the luke warm response to her 'massive landslide victory' in KY and lament the attention paid to lily white Oregon going big for Obama - which will be given too much attention because everybody hates women.

Then the SD trickle will turn to a dribble then a drip then a stream - all coordinated to humiliate Clinton and her supporters and rain on their parade.

Then no calls for Hillary to concede will be interpreted as a bunch of Obamabots hatefully screaming for her to give up.

Does anyone want to dispute me?

by xdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 07:58:57 PM EST

Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (none / 0)

we're not angry, we know she's got the votes and the momentum and we expect to find out who wins in Denver. What's to be angry about? Some people do and say unpleasant and unattractive things, but they don't know any better, probably.

by anna shane on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:01:12 PM EST
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Re: CNN: Clinton Wins Kentucky in a Massive Landsl (2.00 / 1)

Guess what! It's still over! Obama is still going to be the nominee!

by Democrat in Chicago on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:10:06 PM EST

I can't be too bothered here. (none / 0)

Look, in this day and age, WV and KY will go for a Dem when hell freezes over. Hillary could win, walk into a bar with two shotguns and an eight foot cross, and it's going Republican.

Obama is polling a win in the other states mentioned.

I'd like to be diplomatic and say this is a well-fought win for Hillary, but the tone here isn't letting me. This is a futile win for Hillary. A win, yes, but in the end, futile. Sorry gang.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:15:42 PM EST

by Jaz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:02:35 PM EST
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Umm.. Bill Clinton carried both I believe.

They have more registered democrats than republicans, and opinion polls show Hillary outperforming McCain in these states.

So to say that they will never vote dem, is if you are also willing to say Obama will never win Virginia or N.C.

by RP McMurphy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:12:34 PM EST
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Umm.. Bill Clinton carried both I believe.

He did,

They have more registered democrats than republicans,...

A lot of Appalachian and Southern states have more registered Democrats than Republicans, but that's an historical anachronism from the days of the "Solid South."

...and opinion polls show Hillary outperforming McCain in these states.

And which polls are those (not that they actually exist or you'll actually cite them)?

So to say that they will never vote dem, is if you are also willing to say Obama will never win Virginia or N.C.

There's a difference -- Virginia and N.C. are trending Democratic, West Virginia and Kentucky are trending Republican.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

well, Hillary is winning in West Virginia according to http://www.electoral-vote.com/ and Hillary is closer in Kentucky and Tennessee than Obama is, and they can go Dem, because unlike the heartland, they've gone Dem in recent history with her husband. Hillary is also bringing out new voters, but they just look less glorious, the white working class. NC and VA have not gone Dem in recent history.

by DiamondJay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:35:43 PM EST
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John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

And did the white working class voters in Oregon last night look more spectacular??

by ihaveseenenough on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:31:29 PM EST
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Re: I can't be too bothered here. (2.00 / 1)

Hillary can carry West Virginia and Arkansas, but Kentucky would be a long shot. West Virginia and Arkansas were considered major swing states in 2000. Gore ended up losing both by 5%. Kerry who was even less "earthy" than Gore lost by larger margins.

Hillary doesn't have the cultural baggage of being a suave big-city smooth talker like BO. That's why she puts WV and AR in play, while BO turns them even more Republican than ever.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:45:06 PM EST
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John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.

Hillary doesn't have cultural baggage???? I'm sorry, but do you remember that there is NOTHING the Republicans love more than picking at the Clintons?

Also-

If Clinton puts WV and AR into play- which I don't think she does, that's great, that's 14 EVs. If you go by today's polls (which really, guys, we need to break that habit- it's not even remotely logical), Obama puts CO (9 EVs), IA (7 EVs), IN (11 EVs), and SC (8 EVs) into play (or saves them from where Clinton loses to McCain)- that's 35 EVs right there.

Sorry, but Clinton's just spent a ton of time in West Virginia. Appalachia votes Republican, and in the states there that matter, both beat McCain in PA, OH, and NY. We're going to be fine.

by ihaveseenenough on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:30:37 PM EST
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2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

When you start pretending that Indiana and South Carolina are swing states, it's time to take a deep breath and think about how ridiculous what you're saying actually is.

by BPK80 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:27:21 AM EST
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